It's science, don't you dare say otherwise. "I just mean this is my only experience with magic, and it's... fine, it's neat in theory. But it's still a bunch of smoke and mirrors nonsense. Literally." You're not going to convince her that this is more than some sort of illusionary trapped-in-a-simulation mindfuckery. Because nothing makes sense in any way that satisfies her.

She listens curiously, because she's not sure what more could be attempted than methods an expert has already tried. "Blink once for yes and twice for no...?" Ava muses, unhelpfully. And then frowns. "Wait, something happened? Did you insult Daft Punk?"